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Many people who claim to have close encounters with the very kind, if you will, are scrutinized

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by our society very carefully. This all happened 22 years ago in the wilds of no action.

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Well, not in the area.

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Okay. You tell us how it happened.

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All right. My husband and I were returning from Montreal. And it was a Tuesday night.

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And during the night, we were going back home to the White Mountains in Hampshire.

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And it was out of tourist season, with a new cab, all the facilities were closed.

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And we were all alone in the high lights. We were traveling along.

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And all of a sudden, we saw what we thought at first was a star, a new star in the sky.

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So we pulled over, got out of the car to look at it.

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And while we were watching it, it passed over the face of the moon.

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And of course, we knew then it was not a star, so we thought it was a satellite.

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And we returned to the car, we started driving.

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Then we discovered that it also turned, it was following us.

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And as we came past the Indian Head, this craft, left the top of the mountain, came out of the highway and stopped.

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Did it land?

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No, it was just sitting there above the highway.

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I don't know.

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So I would say about 100 feet up, no more than that.

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What did it look like?

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It was a double-row window and a red light on each side.

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A red light on each side?

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Okay. How big was it?

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Well, I know it now, but at that time I didn't even have it.

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And I know it was about 65 feet across.

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And how deep?

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Probably 25, 30 feet.

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Was it in the shape of a saucer?

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No.

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What was the shape?

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I would describe it more like, you know the old-fashioned straw hats that made you more of a brim and it goes up?

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It was more like that.

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So it had square contour?

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Right, and it had a double-row window.

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Now you stopped the car, I presume.

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How far from the object did you stop?

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About a mile away. I really, a couple hundred feet maybe.

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And was it brightly lit?

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No, we could just read the lighted-bone windows from the two red lights.

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You were your husband, Barney?

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He was driving.

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What did you do?

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He decided to take the barricade and go out, cross the field, go up to the craft to get a good look at it, to try to find it, figure out what it was.

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My binoculars was the only couple hundred feet away.

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Well, so we could get a good sense of any markings or identification numbers for anything else.

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What were you using for light at this point aside from the light?

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It was a room light at 4 Moon. That was the only light we had.

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Okay, was it clear?

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Yes.

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Very clear.

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So Barney walked towards the craft, looking up at it. I remained in the car.

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He's looking up, and that's when he saw these beams standing in the window, looking down at him.

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And he had a feeling of being immobilized in some way, and the red lights piled us from the edge of the craft, and the craft started to descend.

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And at that moment, Barney got into a panic, and he had the feeling that they were going to try to grab him.

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They captured him, and he came running back to the car, almost hysterical, saying we had to get out of there.

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They tried to move out of the car, but we were speeding down the highway.

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In which direction?

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Close.

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Away from the craft?

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Well, as he ran back to the car, the object moved over the car.

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And as we took off, he was yelling at me to look out that it was right over the car.

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And I put the window down, and I stuck my head out the window.

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What could you see?

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I couldn't see anything. It was always darkness.

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I didn't see the moon, or the stars, or the sky.

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I didn't see any more, as I can't eat sound.

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No, but at that point, there was a beeping sound.

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Beep, beep, beep, beep, and the car vibrated.

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And then everything became sort of hazy.

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And we could say, where is it?

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And we were looking, and we didn't see it.

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So then, after the second beeping sound, we drove home.

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Now, we arrived home.

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The first thing we know is that the trip had taken an unusually long drive.

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It was at least two hours long, you know, what it should have been.

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Okay, now home was Portsmouth?

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Portsmouth, New Hampshire.

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Okay. And from the White Mountains, it should have taken a lot of couple hours.

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Maybe three hours.

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When you got home, did you realize you had a strange experience, or did you just realize you were late?

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We realized we were late.

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You know, other things, like my dress was torn.

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Where?

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It was under these dresses, and I had to get built in Lyingen.

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And the hand was torn stitching.

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The building swept the trees from the hand to my waist, the torn open.

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Other stitching was ripped from the zipper in the back.

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And it was the second time I'd ever worn the dress.

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We'll be back to continue with Betty Hill's experience right after this.

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So you had a memory of this strange looking spacecraft, the straw hat, with a window.

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What was the next thing that happened?

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Well, we did call P.D.A. for space and report seeing the craft.

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That's right, in Portsmouth.

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Right.

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That's right, in base.

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And what did they say?

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They called the space several times, questioned us over the phone.

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We did not, Bonnie did not mention seeing the bins in the window.

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We left that out.

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We figured, how are you going to pull the bags?

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We left all the bags there.

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And we tried to forget it.

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Which did you forget?

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No, because Bonnie helped begin to fail.

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To the point that he became totally disheveled.

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We weren't able to work.

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So his doctors sent him to a psychiatrist in the same building to see if there was something emotional

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that was preventing him from getting back in his feet.

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What was the result?

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We went to him every Saturday morning for two hours or seven months.

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He put us in a medical hypnosis.

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Our sessions were done individually.

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And at the end of each session he gave us amnesia so that we could not remember what had happened

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and therefore we could not discuss it with each other.

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What did Dr. Simon find out?

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Well, we went back and we were leaving Root Free going onto a side road.

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Going off the side road onto a narrow, no-biside road.

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And as we did the bins, the body had seen all the crap we were blocking our light.

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The car motor stalled.

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Where was the space bus?

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Well, the fleet, I'll tell you, stalled.

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The motor stalled and my friends got the carry-on on the staff.

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And they separate and come up into groups.

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And that's when we both panic.

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How was it that time when the family came out?

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They came out, they died inside of the car, passed in the woods to where the craft was down the ground.

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I've described these bins, what they look like.

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No, there was nothing of them.

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And there were individual differences in each one.

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What are they great differences?

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I'll tell you, the taller one was about my height.

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It was about five feet.

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And the shorter one was maybe three and a half feet.

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All right, now you once helped the sculptor make a representation of your recollection of what these people look like.

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That's it.

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That's not a good project.

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Composite of all eleven.

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Right. So the basic characteristics.

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The large eyes, sliding upwards, the small nose, very small nose.

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A thin slit from the mouth.

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No lips at all.

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Now they had a great tone to the skin.

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Because they're losing meaning.

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That's what they look like, could they speak?

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They touch them in themselves, they had their own language.

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And one of them spoke English.

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Well, they touched them anyway.

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All right, they were all wearing a one-piece jacket outfit.

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And then some were wearing jackets, some were wearing caps, not all of them.

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But the one who touched them was wearing a black scarf around his neck.

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He was wearing a black jacket.

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When he was taking me to the class.

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First of all, I got a bit of a black jacket.

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And I brought myself out of this.

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And I'm walking in the path from the woods.

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And I look around and, you know, his body, by any sort of sleepwalking.

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It was just that impression.

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And there's one of these guys helping him along.

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So I just...

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He was a bit bigger than all of them.

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He was taller, yeah.

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So I just, I'm trying to bring Barney out of whatever this condition he lives in.

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Barney, wake up!

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It's Barney his name.

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And I wouldn't say a thing.

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When they're trying to take me on board is when I was really bad one.

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But they overcame me.

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And I had to go.

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And I went into the corridor and I went into one room.

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Barney was taken into the second room.

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The leader came in and then the one I called the examiner.

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And they checked my eyes, nose, throat.

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His example of my hair, scraped my skin.

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And then they put me on the table and said they were going to check my nervous system.

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And then they took this needle-like instrument and tried to...

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And I guess they said they were going to insert it in my navel and I'm saying,

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No, no, no, it's going to hurt.

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And they say, No, it won't hurt.

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And they started it and it didn't hurt, so they stopped.

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Why did they want to put that table in?

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Well, you know, I asked them, Why are you doing this?

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And they said that's a pregnancy test.

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And I said, That's no pregnancy test here.

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Alright, well in 1961 I don't think it was a test of anything.

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The test that it has been used, the needle through the abdominal section for a variety of things.

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One is to find out if the fetus is going to be deformed.

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Right, that was it.

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But it wasn't even known then, was it?

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Right, but that was 1961.

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And after your examination.

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I think when the examiner had completed mine, he left and went into the next room where Barney was.

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Because by now I'm beginning to overcome some of my fears.

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I'm beginning to believe I'm going to be on my way home very soon.

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So I started walking around and I think of the lead-up.

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I want to take something home with me.

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It's evidence that this has happened.

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I want some truth.

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You thought maybe they carried two of these, or I would have liked a world figure.

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That was a belief.

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And he gave the belief to me.

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And I looked at it briefly at that point.

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And then I said to him, I know you're not from this planet.

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I'd like to know where you're from.

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So he showed me the star map.

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And he said, do you know where you are on the star map?

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And I said, no.

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That is a rough star map, and that's something that you yourself threw.

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He explained it to me.

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In his way.

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He said the heavy lines are either trans or places that we go frequently or occasionally.

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And the broken lines are expeditions.

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I don't know.

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On that map, there are two stars not connected to any lines which are over on the left side of the screen.

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Those stars were not known in 1961 to anyone, were they?

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When you do this map under hypnosis, did you present it to anyone?

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Did you show it to any astronomers?

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Not at that time, no.

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Well, at some point.

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I saw it in 1961.

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I sketched it in 1965.

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And then in 1969, a woman researcher from Ohio became interested in it.

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And we all with research and identified the star pattern.

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Okay, but in 1965, when you sketched it, you were told there were no such stars.

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There were no such stars.

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There's those two on the left, right?

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We're still in the spacecraft.

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We're looking at the star map.

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I was down there.

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They were going to come back in the room and he started tugging at my teeth.

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And I said, you know, what's wrong?

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He explained to them they were attached.

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He said, we're very puzzled.

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Why are binding teeth removable when yours are not?

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So then I tried to explain, well, sometimes we get old enough.

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We lose our teeth, are poor, die, are accident.

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And so then he's asking me, well, what's die, what's old, what's accident?

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And at this point that I discovered that many of the simple words that I was using,

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he lacked the understanding of these.

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They weren't his, okay?

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Right.

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Did you have any ideas to the age of these people?

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Did they give any clue or description of themselves?

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Not any at all?

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No.

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I would ask two questions.

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Blow you fun and when do I get out of here?

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Okay.

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So then after that, they came bringing money out and said, oh, I'm really happy.

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I'm really happy.

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I'm really happy.

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So I went over and I picked up the book.

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And I'm walking out of the class with the book and the leader's walking beside me.

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And as I said that we were loving.

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We only called the leader one day to Amina.

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And the other night I called the crew members because they stayed out in the corridor.

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I'm going out with the book and find me the dollars, how about, with the crew members.

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And the leader picked the book away from me.

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He said they objected to my having it.

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And therefore he was going to take it.

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When it was in the book we saw these star maps.

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Was there any way?

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No, it wasn't a star map.

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A star map was projected on the wall.

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The book?

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That was in the book.

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I looked at it briefly and there were symbols and we're going up and down in columns.

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Those are going to cross.

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But nothing you could record?

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Nothing I'd like to.

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Have you ever seen anything since?

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No.

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Completely fine.

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Did they let you go?

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No.

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He took the book.

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He took it away from me.

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Are you with any evidence at all that you've been aboard this weird craft?

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Okay.

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When did all this come to your recollection?

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When did Dr. Simon permit you to remember all the things you've been telling him?

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And I presume this was all on tape, was it not?

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Oh yes.

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Well we underwent these sessions for quite a while and then towards the end I said maybe

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about a month before the session ended.

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He said to us, I think now if you want to you can stop remembering things.

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If you want to.

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And we would get little flashbacks.

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And then he decided we were ready to open up the meeting and use it completely.

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You and Ronnie were interrogated separately on the opposers during the treatments.

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How closely apart from the time when you were split for examination purposes, how closely

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did your recollections match?

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We both felt the same experience, not from our own viewpoints.

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But were the major details in place?

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Yes.

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The sequence, what the people looked like.

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I believe Barney Law and the Abnosis drew a sketch of one of the creatures and it didn't

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look too differently from the sculpture that you helped to make.

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Right.

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Second question.

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Barney had a lot of illnesses with no apparent physiological cause.

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What happened to his medical condition?

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After the hypnosis?

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No.

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All right.

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He went back to work.

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All right.

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Now Barney has since died has he not?

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Yeah.

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Was that from any of the symptoms that were troubling him when he went to see Dr. Simon?

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No.

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This was from a stroke?

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This was from a stroke.

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And it was from the atmospheric pressure.

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It was probably a weakness that he had been born with.

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I see.

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And we were in a midst of great smoke then.

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All right.

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He was a fairly young man was he not?

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46 years old.

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You don't connect that in any way with this experience?

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No.

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In fact that he died at 46?

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No.

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There has been a book written about this whole episode in a movie made by the same name.

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Interrupted Journey.

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The work of Interrupted Journey.

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You have been questioned by how many people?

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No.

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Oh, right.

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You're satisfied that this all really happened and it wasn't in fact a nightmare induced

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by it?

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No.

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It really happened.

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And actually.

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You'll get to touch one of these people?

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No.

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I think that's me but I didn't touch them.

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They'll tell me they were warm and if they put my hand on you if I were dead you'd know

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it in a hurry.

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I didn't notice any difference.

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And we made it and we did go back and find the captures part.

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We did?

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Do you have any idea what the power was in the spacecraft?

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Do you have any whistling noises or anything like that?

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Well, it was sitting on the ground.

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When we were leaving, they did say, the leader said to me why don't you wait until you're

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asleep?

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And we did.

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I'm siphoning it by the car and it was almost like a fiery substance.

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We were going from revolving around and around the craft.

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And then the craft lifted out of this.

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How fast did it accelerate?

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It went and then it dropped down and it was going.

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Any communications at all with these aliens and that experience?

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No, I've seen UFOs.

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UFOs just means unidentified flying objects.

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Can be an airplane or it can be something else.

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Yeah, that's true. But I've never seen the aliens again.

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And I've never been on board a craft again.

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And if I was invited the second time, I still would refuse.

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I won't forget about it.

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You can take the book but you can never, never, never make me forget.

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Hold and closely examine cases of its kind.

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In its detailed descriptions, especially in the star map, it is unique.

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Over the years it has withstood test after test for credibility and consistency.

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That is why we have devoted an entire show to retelling her story.

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Betty, the paragraph can only determine what you believe to be so.

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In trying to bridge from what you believe to be so, whether it is so or not,

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I think probably the best thing to use is the star map.

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At least the star map is something that brings us into reality

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as those who have never had your experience would know it.

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In other words, there is a map that you drew prior to the time a couple of stars were discernible

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because they didn't have the equipment in 61 or 65 to see those stars.

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Subsequently, that map became validated.

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I think that trying to bridge what you believe to be so and what is in fact so,

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if we address the polygraph examination to how you obtained the information with which to draw the star map,

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we might at least strike it some form of reality as opposed to your perception,

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which you may think is very real but which may not in fact be real.

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So if we try to make the bridge with the star map and we ask the questions along the lines of

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did you obtain the information to draw that star map from a UFO

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and then reverse it, did you obtain it through any other source,

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we can determine what you at least believe in relation to the star map

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and then what we've been using basically in these areas of psychic phenomena

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and with some success is to ask you whether or not you think this whole thing is a hoax.

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I think quickly we can strip away, if it is a hoax,

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your belief that what you're saying is so when you know in fact it is and so.

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So I think if we address the examination to those two areas,

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we may at least be able to find out if you believe that what you're saying is so

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and before I invite you to take that test, if someone came up to you today

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and I'm sure many people have since you've become noteworthy in this area

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and said I had an experience or I was on a UFO, what do you think of those people today?

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Are they telling the truth or not?

404
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:04,000
I would want to great deal more than just the person who were,

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that the person from on a UFO.

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Well the star map is a tangible product of this whole experience.

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That's something that has some substantiation quite apart from anybody's arguments against all this.

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Yeah, so I think we could use that.

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Nothing disparaging but I would be derelict as a polygraph examiner

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if I didn't inquire into your general medical health and as far as your mental health.

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Let me ask you if you're not reluctant to say,

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have you ever prior to this occurrence had therapy or counseling or visited a psychiatrist?

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No, I'm a special worker. I usually treat other people with.

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But you never need to treat me today?

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No.

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Okay, so not for me, that's fine.

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People are going to lie to me about that star map.

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No.

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Did you initially receive that star map information while onboarding UFOs?

420
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Yes.

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Any story first emerged under hypnosis following nightmares on her part?

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I mean, unexplained deterioration in the physical condition.

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Her husband Barney, a medical hypnotist, a psychiatrist, was recommended.

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And this is what he found.

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We can only test whether or not she believes this is a real recollection and not something that she made up or only dreamed.

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Regarding the original star map information, did you obtain it from a source other than a UFO?

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No.

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People from New Hampshire are typically swift and direct in their answers.

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Do you believe the star map story is a hoax?

430
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Yeah.

431
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This test is over, remains still for 10 seconds please.

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This is one of the charts, Betty, that was actually collected on television that our viewers could see.

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The first relevant question was, did you initially receive that star map information while onboarding UFO?

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You, as you're nodding your head, said yes.

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And we see in the cardio tracing a downward movement of the blood pressure as shown by measuring blood volume.

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We contrast that with the question before where there was a slight upswing.

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And more notably here in the respiration tracing, we see a very long sustained suppression when you answered the control question and almost nothing happening when you answered the relevant question, indicating a lack of stress or what we call a lack of a reaction to the relevant question.

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Let's go to the second question.

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The second question was a restatement of the first regarding the original star map information, did you obtain it from a source other than a UFO?

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Now when you created the star map, I don't believe there were any sources that could have given you those two other stars, but the question is, what did you believe?

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You said no, you didn't get it from a source other than a UFO, and there's absolutely nothing happening here in this cardio tracing, showing a lack of stress when you said no to that question.

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But the question before, we see that you're capable of significant cardio response because we see it here with this tremendous upswing.

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Here again, the respiration pattern, there's that suppression that we noted in the earlier question, nothing happening in the relevant question.

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Let's go to the third question, dealing with whether or not you believe that your story is a hoax.

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What it says, you believe your star map story is a hoax?

446
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You said no, blood pressure is going down, galvanic skin response shows six chart divisions, and we contrast that with the question before, where you had many more chart divisions in the galvanometer, a significant baseline arousal in the respiration tracing, putting it all together.

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And already, you believe what you're telling us, and I wouldn't want to alienate an alien and say it isn't so, all I can tell you is you believe what you're saying. I did.

448
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We now have an astronomer who backs you up, I guess a whole bunch of them, you can't very well describe stars that haven't been discovered without something out of it.

449
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We have a scientist who's a doctor who wanted to get noticed under techniques that he believes were totally legitimate, came out with this story, showing at least it was in your mind, it was very real, you thought it would happen, we have the time gap.

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The two hours that disappeared from your lifetime until you restored them, and now we have the polygraph which says, you're much more disturbed by general character questions than you are.

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My question is about the authenticity of your story. We can't. Even with Steven Spielberg's help, we can't produce a spacecraft, but maybe someday somebody will, and maybe they'll be little in gray.

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Thank you very much, Fred.